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YOU WISH

Queries read: 472
Rejected: 434    Requested: 38
Request rate: 8%
Fulls read: 26. Fulls rejected: 22


I've rejected 22 full manuscripts now, and I wanted to take a moment to give you an idea of what leads to a rejection and how I approach my stack of full manuscripts.

For starters, I'll give every book a minimum of 10%. That means, generally, 25-30 pages. If I've requested your full, I've already decided you're a good writer and I like the concept. You've got 25 pages to reel me in.

Unfortunately, the majority of them don't click into place. Here are some of the reasons I've rejected manuscripts thus far:

*Lack of tension in the plot--- felt too "day in the life" after the opening pages.

* Character in the first chapter seemed like a different person than the character I read about two chapters later-- and I much preferred his attitude in the first chapter.

* read a full hundred pages and while I liked the voice, the story just wasn't getting off the ground.

* Love interest was too mary-sue  for me to fall for hiim

* revolving POV that deflated the tension. If you're going to revolve between characters, make sure you have a really good reason for it. Had two of these this week. One made sense, one I wasn't so sure of.

*backstory dump. It was humorous for several pages, but after two chapters the mansucript was still "filling me in" on the background and not moving the story forward.

*a historical with a "teaching" tone. I really, really love historicals. But you MUST stay in your character's POV, not write little asides that are going to teach the reader about history. Like, say you're in 1815 and you're going to give someone Laudanum for a sickness. Don't turn and tell me, Laudanum is an opiate, often used for....." because your character already knows that. Just like you aren't going to stop and explain to someone what aspirin is. You just use it.

*I can put it down and I don't think about it when I'm not reading it. This one is the most common and the hardest to explain to a writer. I try my best to provide concrete feedback, and yet sometimes I can't. I know the writer has done the right thing and has obvious skill. But I'm not drawn into the world so much that I'm thinking about it constantly. I only sign projects that I'll be thinking about while driving or cooking. If I'm stirring my noodles with one hand and leaning over to read my kindle at the same time, you've got a good shot with me.

Why is it so important that I fall head over heels in love? Becuase I'll read your work at least two or three times before I ever send it to an editor. The first time, to see if I want to sign you. The second, to gather my revision notes. The third, to review your changes and complete line edits. if your MS is in exceptionally good shape, I may suggest the changes right off, and then read and do line edits after you've attempted them. But if it needs a little more work/attention, I'll need to mark up the manuscript and provide you with bigger feedback before you can get to work.

And if your work doesn't sell on the first round, we may gather the editor feedback and go through it again. Prada & Prejudice went to 26 editors over the course of 18 months and was eventually in its 9th draft when it sold.

If I'm going to read your book 9 times, I damn well better love it. :-)

What have I loved so far? A rather diverse group. One is a boy adventure set in Egypt. One is a historical from the 1920s. One is a much older historical with a fairy-tale like quality to it, and the fourth is a gritty, mature urban fantasy. With each project, the characters and their story stayed on my mind even when I wasn't reading.

So, I hope this was, in some way, helpful.

Good luck to those of you in the query trenches!


Mandy


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divawriter
Mar. 4th, 2010 06:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks Mandy! This is really helpful, and a nice way to get into the mind of an agent.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
This type of feedback is extremely helpful! I'm in what I consider my first round of queries, and if it boils down to the fact I need to revise my manuscript (for what feels like the millionth time), I'm going to take your pointers to heart. Thanks so much!

Melissa Garrett
http://www.RootandSprout.com
(Anonymous)
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
You're brutal.

That's not a compliment.
mandyhubbard
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:36 pm (UTC)
*shrug*. So be it. All agents are. We have to be. To you, your work is precious and personal. And as an author, I understand that. But this is still a business, and I don't make money until/unless I sell your work. That means I have to be brutal and cut what isn't working for me and only choose projects I'm 100% behind.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:38 pm (UTC)
Something positive and happy here and on Twitter would be nice for a change. As it is, it's almost as if you're gloating over how many crappy things (in your opinion) you get to reject. Your words are not encouraging. I'm not an author, by the way.
mandyhubbard
Mar. 4th, 2010 10:00 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure how this: http://mandyhubbard.livejournal.com/219074.html

Can be considered me being negative or gloating.

Honestly, the great thing about twitter and blogs is you choose which ones you want to read. If you're not into my personality/style, by all means, read elsewhere.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 4th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC)
I agree. I've been reading your livejournal for quite awhile, after seeing you post in another community. All you do is gloat brag brag gloat. I think you're just so darn happy that you're suddenly in a position of power over other people. I remember you commenting in a post(in another comm) about the economy where someone had just lost a job or something, and your response was something along the lines of, "Well I just got published, so luckily I'm not affected by the economy" or something.

I'm very interested in the behind the scenes aspect of publishing, which is why I started reading your lj/facebook in the first place. But I have to agree, you are very negative and full of yourself. You need a slice of humble pie, for sure.
sachaw
Mar. 4th, 2010 10:55 pm (UTC)
Wow - this seems uncalled for. Perhaps anonymous does not understand the competition in the industry and how much work and information it takes to improve.

Have to say, I've personally seen nothing but enthusiasm from Mandy!
jenniferjabaley
Mar. 5th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
ditto. :)
(Anonymous)
Mar. 5th, 2010 12:37 am (UTC)
Humble pie? Perhaps you should read further back in Mandy's journal, where she was undergoing rejection after rejection. She's worked to get where she is and taken a lot of hits. What you call being "full of herself" is actually confidence. And it's the thing that got her from a place where most writers would quit to having 5 books under contract in a matter of years. A lot of the publishing world is negative and so a lot of Mandy's tweets might not be all sunshine and roses, but that's the way this industry is. If you listen to Mandy's advice and learn to mimic her confidence, you might become a published author. If you want sunshine and roses, I'd suggest you instead become a florist.
watchmebe
Mar. 4th, 2010 11:36 pm (UTC)
You're bitter.

That's not a compliment either.
stirlingbennett
Mar. 4th, 2010 10:51 pm (UTC)
I found that enormously helpful and not in any way brutal. Your reasoning makes perfect sense to me and I wouldn't want an agent who didn't LOVE my work.

Anonymous is obviously entitled to his/her opinion, and that's fine–I'm not trying to disparage him/her in any way–but I just want to offer you a differing/opposing one: I read all your sharing of good news as one who is excited and loves to share that excitement–and by share I mean you share yours, and you share with others in theirs. I think your posts here and on the Blueboards are always generous and super helpful and I really enjoy your blog, so...keep it up.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 5th, 2010 01:03 am (UTC)
Just for the record, I find your comments very helpful and enthusiastic. It seems to me you're going to be an awesome agent. Keep up the good work!
jgurtler
Mar. 5th, 2010 02:56 am (UTC)
I think the fact that you share your thoughts as an agent is extremely helpful to writers who want to learn and grow. As you intended....

I especially love how you point out that much of the writing is really great, but not always in your personal taste.
cleanwriter
Mar. 5th, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
Helpful? Oh yes. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to share with us what your process is. Not only does it help me stay focused but it really inspires me to continue to try. -Kai
shannywriter
Mar. 5th, 2010 05:36 am (UTC)
Mandy, thanks for the stats! So insightful to have a checklist of rejection reasons. Before I revised, I can definitely point to about 3 items on your list and know these were the reasons I was probably rejected. These were all things I spent the last few months revising.
adaveen
Mar. 5th, 2010 11:54 am (UTC)
Meh. Comes off a little bit gloaty, but in the end it's Mandy that fails to make money if she doesn't find something she can sell. So, fair's fair. Find another agent. Personal taste drives this sort of thing rather a bit more than you'd think.

Having to read a book 9 times and still keep your enthusiasm and eyes fresh is no joke. As an editor I can feel for her in that regard, and all I ever work with are shorts and novellas.
jenny_moss
Mar. 5th, 2010 01:40 pm (UTC)
How generous of you, Mandy, to provide this information. When I was querying, I wanted to better understand the industry and to get some insight into why projects were rejected, what others were working on and submitting and how many queries an agent and editor were considering. I just had no idea. Your posts are such a help to writers. And I find them very interesting to read. I hope you'll keep posting.
marewolf
Mar. 5th, 2010 02:33 pm (UTC)
I love it!
Thanks for the post, Mandy. I have just barely started querying and I love all the information you give. The more the better! Keep it up for us writers, and ignore the arrogrant stupid-face negative posters.
(yeah, that's right, I just said stupid face! I am a verbal sparring genius)
:)
laurenbjorkman
Mar. 5th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
When I first started querying agents a few years ago, I went to Miss Snark's blog for info. And I learned so much! It made a huge difference to know how the querying process works. But then her blog went dark. I'm grateful you're here, Mandy, to provide fresh insight! Thank you.
jenniferbrown09
Mar. 5th, 2010 04:23 pm (UTC)
I think your tweets and posts are enormously helpful for those writers SERIOUS about getting off the ground. I keep steering my not-yet-published writer friends to you, because what you're offering is a treasure-trove of how-to and how-not-to if you want to get published. Keep up what you're doing!
shellijohannes
Mar. 5th, 2010 07:35 pm (UTC)
wow - that was helpful - thanks mandy.

i want to see a post - things I know now being an agent I wish I knew when I was just an author. :) give us some scoop!
angelwingsbaka
Mar. 6th, 2010 01:46 am (UTC)
I really appreciate your posts. It's good to know what to look out for when I'm ready to submit queries. Plus, having the authors know the do's and don'ts of the process helps the author AND agents get through the process a lot faster, right? :)
xurbanfantasy
Mar. 6th, 2010 03:13 am (UTC)
I love that you're explaining why you're rejecting manuscripts. They're all things I'm definitely going to add to my list when I start editing my manuscript to make sure I can make it the best that it can be.

But to see your statistics...they're so scary! 8% request rate after reading over four hundred? I find like it's absolutely crazy. And yet, it makes me even more determined to write a killer story that I fully believe is worth querying for and publishing. So...it may seem weird that I'm saying this, but thanks so much for giving me this burst of encouragement and drive, Mandy :) I really appreciate it.
mulligangirl
Mar. 7th, 2010 11:42 pm (UTC)
Revised MS after Rejected Full
Hi Mandy,
Thanks for your updates and honesty. I find this to be a very informative blog- and a breath of fresh air. Question for you: what is your policy on taking a second look at a full ms you rejected which has been significantly revised? As in, entirely new profile and storyline for the hero? Or once you pass have you passed for good?
mandyhubbard
Mar. 8th, 2010 02:01 am (UTC)
Re: Revised MS after Rejected Full
It very much depends-- I wouldn't say I want to see a revised project from every project I reject. But certainly, if i offer someone concrete feedback in my rejection, they can ask if I'd be open to seeing a revised version. All you can do is ask, right? If I decline, you're no worse off than not asking at all, so why not?
stinalindenblatt.com
Mar. 10th, 2010 05:12 am (UTC)
Thank, Mandy, for this great feedback. It's what helps us writers ultimately grow to become better. But you know that because you've been there. You know what the other sides like.

Good luck on your upcoming submissions.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 13th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
BleeBonn
Thanks for the awesome info. This was a very helpful post!
(Anonymous)
Mar. 18th, 2010 04:13 am (UTC)
8% is a high request rate for an agent...
I just stumbled upon this blog entry, and while it's a bit outdated, I wanted to mention that an 8% request rate is a HECKUVA lot higher than most agencies. Most agencies only request to read about 1% of the submissions they receive. So kudos to Mandy for requesting so many manuscripts!
mandyhubbard
Mar. 18th, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
Re: 8% is a high request rate for an agent...
Thank you! I try to do a sort of benefit-of-the-doubt thing when i'm on the fence and request to see where it is going. Eventually I'll have a big 'ol client list and will get more discerning...but for now I like to see what I can discover!
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